Creating a Mike Drop Moment in Your Great Work | UYGW11

Everyone has a story to tell but not all of us are sure how to go about it.

My guest Mike Ganino is the speaker coach who helped me prepare my TedXHarrisburg talk and today he joins me on the podcast to discuss what it really takes to create a “Mike Drop” moment in your talk.

Are you ready to share your story?

Join us as we discuss:

  • How we bring every part of ourselves into our current Great Work
  • Why we need to balance our light against our shadow and own who we really are
  • How to stop trying to be “Great” and, instead, seek to be you

About the Guest:

Mike Ganino is a storytelling + communication expert and creator of the Mike Drop Method. He hosts The Mike Drop Moment podcast. He’s been named a Top 10 Public Speaking Coach by Yahoo Finance, and California’s Best Speaking and Communication Coach by Corporate Vision Magazine. He is an author, former Executive Producer of TEDxCambridge and has been named a Top 30 Speaker by Global Guru. He teaches storytelling, presence, and public speaking to some of the biggest names and brands. He’s a trained actor and coach from the World Famous Second City, Improv Olympics, and Upright Citizen’s Brigade. In addition to his track record as an executive in the hotel, restaurant, retail, and tech industries, Mike’s worked with organizations like the Disney, American Century Investments, American Marketing Association, and UCLA.

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www.instagram.com/mikeganino <- To hangout on Insta

About the Host:

Dr. Amanda Crowell is a cognitive psychologist, speaker, author and coach changing our perspective on the world of work. It IS possible to do Great Work– launch a successful business, make a scientific discovery, raise a tight-knit family, or manage a global remote team– without sacrificing your health, happiness and relationships.

Amanda is the Author of the forthcoming book, Great Work: Do What Matter Most Without Sacrificing Everything Else, and the creator of the Great Work Journals. Amanda’s TEDx talk has received more than a million views and has been featured on TED’s Ideas blog and Ted Shorts.

Her ideas have also been featured on NPR, Al Jazeera, The Wall Street Journal, Quartz, and Thrive Global.

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Transcript
Dr Amanda Crowell:

Welcome to unleashing your great work, a

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podcast about doing the work that matters the most to you.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I'm your host, Dr. Amanda Kroll, a cognitive psychologist,

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speaker, coach, and the creator of the aligned time journals.

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Every week on this podcast, we are asking the big questions.

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What is great work? And why does it matter so much to us? What

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does it take to do more of your great work without sacrificing

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everything else? And how does the world change when more

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people are doing more of the work that matters the most to

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them? Whether you're great work is building your own small

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business, or managing a remote team at a multinational company.

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You'll find insight and answers here. This week on the podcast,

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I am so excited to welcome Mike Canino, who is a storytelling

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and communication expert and the creator of the mic drop method.

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He hosts the mic drop moment podcast, he's been named one of

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the top 10 public speaking coaches by a number of exciting

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places. In addition to being an author, a former executive

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producer of the TEDx Cambridge. He's an author, former executive

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producer of TEDx Cambridge, and has been named a top 30 speaker

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by global guru. Welcome to the podcast, Mike.

Mike Ganino:

Hi, thanks for having me.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Yeah, thanks for coming. I'm excited. I've

Dr Amanda Crowell:

been listening to your podcast for years now. So it's really

Dr Amanda Crowell:

exciting to have you on mine.

Mike Ganino:

It's a It's always fun. I always feel this, like,

Mike Ganino:

there's a little bit of freedom and not having to be the host,

Mike Ganino:

you know, so I like being the guest, because I can just be

Mike Ganino:

here and be like, I just have to respond. And yeah, so I enjoy

Mike Ganino:

that. I enjoy both sides of the mic, if you will.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Both sides of the mic. Yeah, I bet you do. So

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Well, that brings us to a great question. You're, you've you're

Dr Amanda Crowell:

on all kinds of sides of the mic. You've been a podcast host

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a podcast guest million times, you're always on stage. And

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these days, you're actually coaching speaker. So why don't

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we start with the question we always start with on this

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podcast, which is my guinea. Now, tell us a little bit about

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your great work.

Mike Ganino:

This idea of great work really sent me into a

Mike Ganino:

little bit of a, a little bit of a spin, Amanda, I'm sure. Maybe

Mike Ganino:

no one else admits it. But I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

know you're not you're, you're not the first

Dr Amanda Crowell:

but please tell me what you mean.

Mike Ganino:

And I think for a couple of reasons, because we

Mike Ganino:

often think about, you know, what is my great work? And in

Mike Ganino:

that, what am I doing? So what do I actually do? You know, and

Mike Ganino:

you've mentioned that so kindly in this introduction with all

Mike Ganino:

the speaking and the coaching and all the things I do there.

Mike Ganino:

And then I thought about, okay, so what's one level deeper than

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that? What do I help people do and it's like, well, I help them

Mike Ganino:

really find their, their story and help them find their truth.

Mike Ganino:

And maybe that's my great work is to do that. And then I have a

Mike Ganino:

daughter who's a little toddler, she's, she's, you know, a little

Mike Ganino:

over a year now. And so I thought maybe she is my great

Mike Ganino:

work. And then I really got thinking about this idea that I

Mike Ganino:

that I use all the time in my, in my speaking coaching with

Mike Ganino:

clients, which is really more like self expression coaching,

Mike Ganino:

I'm really helping people to like, figure out who they are in

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front of other people. Because we're so often, we've created

Mike Ganino:

personas, and we lose ourselves sometimes. And we get in front

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of other people to express ourselves. And we're doing it as

Mike Ganino:

some weird version of not ourselves. So I thought about,

Mike Ganino:

okay, well, maybe that's the work. And ultimately, what I

Mike Ganino:

what I found, when I really started thinking more deeply

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about this, is this idea that I share with clients all the time

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that, that our job is really to kind of understand ourselves at

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such a deep level that we understand these invisible

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forces that affect how we show up in the world. And I think

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that my great work, my greatest work is is that on myself,

Mike Ganino:

because that's allows me all those other things I said that

Mike Ganino:

could have been my great work the the coaching people to, you

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know, rock a TEDx or to go speak on behalf of their company, or

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to talk about their book that they've just written, or my

Mike Ganino:

parenting work at, which is a lot of work as you know. And

Mike Ganino:

some days, some days, I do a really good job at that work and

Mike Ganino:

other days. Yeah, yeah, that's

Dr Amanda Crowell:

the story of parenting. The end, we just

Dr Amanda Crowell:

wrote the whole podcast on parent,

Mike Ganino:

that's the show, but um, but it really got me

Mike Ganino:

thinking about it. And I really do think that that my great

Mike Ganino:

work, regardless of what other ways it might manifest itself,

Mike Ganino:

what other little creative lights may shine on others are

Mike Ganino:

on the world because of my great work. I really do believe that

Mike Ganino:

my great work is to really dive deep into understanding myself

Mike Ganino:

and learning to balance and this is the thing I push my clients

Mike Ganino:

to do all the time they come for public speaking coaching, and

Mike Ganino:

then you know, we go out into Joshua Tree and find our finer

Mike Ganino:

magic is that we are constantly in a dance between our The the

Mike Ganino:

light of us are our highest self, our, you know, the

Mike Ganino:

executive leader who thinks, who thinks like royalty, you know,

Mike Ganino:

there's the archetypes of like the king and queen. And they're

Mike Ganino:

ultimately like, these these kind and Royal and calm parental

Mike Ganino:

figures who take care of everybody. I think that's the

Mike Ganino:

light side of us and the shadow side of us. And I think what

Mike Ganino:

most of us do, what we've been trained to do in this world,

Mike Ganino:

what I, what I really push back on myself, when I find myself

Mike Ganino:

doing it, even to my daughter, is that we're taught that the

Mike Ganino:

shadow side of us should be hidden, that we shouldn't, that

Mike Ganino:

we shouldn't talk to it, that we shouldn't negotiate with it that

Mike Ganino:

we shouldn't learn to use it. But the reality is, it will

Mike Ganino:

always be pulling us back under that, that those waves if we

Mike Ganino:

don't learn the dance between the two, because both of them

Mike Ganino:

are gifts, and I think my great work in my life, is doing that

Mike Ganino:

work for myself. And then whatever little light may shine

Mike Ganino:

out to my daughter, to my husband, to my friends, to

Mike Ganino:

lovely podcast hosts who have me on their show, and ultimately,

Mike Ganino:

to my clients around self expression and public speaking,

Mike Ganino:

that is just a bonus that comes from me doing that work on

Mike Ganino:

myself.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Wow, I like that a lot. The thing that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

struck me when you said it, that I that it like really sort of

Dr Amanda Crowell:

stopped me in my tracks, was this this notion of like, Who

Dr Amanda Crowell:

are you in front of other people? And often I think that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

that answer has two levels to it, right? There's the what mask

Dr Amanda Crowell:

do you put on and you know, if you look at any of the work on

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Ark types, or alter egos or anything like that, that seems

Dr Amanda Crowell:

to be the strategy, right? It's like, take on an archetype.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Breathe into it, become that version of yourself. And then,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

and that's who you are in front of other people, like, I'm going

Dr Amanda Crowell:

to go be the badass, I'm going to be the thought leader, I'm

Dr Amanda Crowell:

going to be the king or the queen, right? The or, but what

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you're saying seems to be a level underneath that, which is

Dr Amanda Crowell:

like, how do you actually be who you are, first of all, knowing

Dr Amanda Crowell:

who you are. And then being who you are as a coherent, singular

Dr Amanda Crowell:

person across a bunch of contexts, including the one

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where you're with other people is so much deeper and harder.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

And you're absolutely right, would certainly get into the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

shadow side of things and our true worries. And our and I just

Dr Amanda Crowell:

wonder like, is that something that you feel like trying to

Dr Amanda Crowell:

figure out how to play that? I don't want to say play that

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game? Because that puts us back in the other space, but how to

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navigate that is has that been your personal journey as well?

Mike Ganino:

I think so. And I think it's in a really

Mike Ganino:

interesting way. It's kind of been my journey from the

Mike Ganino:

beginning. I think as a as a gay man, we are as children, often I

Mike Ganino:

mean, I don't know very many people who, from birth, were

Mike Ganino:

allowed to kind of fully self Express, even if you had parents

Mike Ganino:

who were wonderful and lovely. You still live and operate in a

Mike Ganino:

world where if your parents are straight, by the way that you're

Mike Ganino:

different than your than your parents, right. And so I think

Mike Ganino:

as a gay, as a gay man, I spent so much of my life creating

Mike Ganino:

persona, creating a self that was passable, creating a self

Mike Ganino:

that was safe in environments where I needed to be safe from,

Mike Ganino:

from other people, learning how to read a room so quickly and

Mike Ganino:

become who they needed me to be so that I wasn't in danger, you

Mike Ganino:

know, physically or emotionally for being bullied or picked on.

Mike Ganino:

And so I think for me, that was a huge part of that journey was

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realizing, at some point in my early 20s, after I'd come out, I

Mike Ganino:

was acting I was performing. And you do a lot of work in that

Mike Ganino:

world of understanding archetypes and understanding

Mike Ganino:

character and backstory and motivation. And what I realized

Mike Ganino:

then is that I had the luxury in a way of kind of getting to

Mike Ganino:

redefine who I was, but you also can't I say this all the time

Mike Ganino:

that you are not your biographical self, right. And

Mike Ganino:

you ask someone who are you? What did you do, they tell us

Mike Ganino:

about their biographical self, they tell us the plot of where

Mike Ganino:

they've been what they've gone through. And what they're really

Mike Ganino:

saying, though, is that like, I have a pattern of doing this,

Mike Ganino:

you know, there's been a repeated habit of doing this

Mike Ganino:

thing. And if that's true, then we can always change it because

Mike Ganino:

there is no permanent identity. And so, for me, I feel like this

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has without me realizing it until the last year or two. You

Mike Ganino:

know, children have a way of really shaking, shaking all of

Mike Ganino:

that up and you but it's good because it's like I tried to

Mike Ganino:

think of it like a like a gold. She's like a gold miner and she

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just shaken the heck out of her little bend and hopefully some

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of my gold gets to stick around and I get to find it. Because

Mike Ganino:

that that and I think the archetypes also are helpful and

Mike Ganino:

not helpful. They can be a straight jacket as much as any

Mike Ganino:

Anything else can be to your self expression into figuring

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out who you are, and who you are in front of other people.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

One of the interesting things I've heard

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you say, because you mentioned in your, in your talking there

Dr Amanda Crowell:

about doing performance, and I know that you've done improv and

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you were in the restaurant industry, and you've been a very

Dr Amanda Crowell:

successful public speaker, you've been around lots of

Dr Amanda Crowell:

different versions of this space. And I'm curious, how do

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you bring one of the things I feel like you do really well is

Dr Amanda Crowell:

to bring all of those things into the present moment, in a

Dr Amanda Crowell:

way that feels really coherent and authentic. So how do you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

feel like do you feel like that's true? And then how do you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

do that?

Mike Ganino:

I guess it's true. I mean, you've spent a lot of

Mike Ganino:

time with me. And so and you've spent a lot of time with me, one

Mike Ganino:

on one, you spend a lot of time on with me in groups where I'm

Mike Ganino:

teaching. And so So yeah, if other people see that, then it

Mike Ganino:

is true. What I guess I would say for me is that there's a

Mike Ganino:

there's a balance between recognizing, because, again, I

Mike Ganino:

think that that public speaking and whether we're talking about

Mike Ganino:

public speaking in front of, you know, one person, or many, many

Mike Ganino:

people, it's just patterns, it's patterns of yourself, that are

Mike Ganino:

showing up there. And it's the same thing happens. I mean, when

Mike Ganino:

we go to a coffee shop, and we sit down, there are patterns of

Mike Ganino:

communication that we fall into, there's patterns of

Mike Ganino:

relationships that we fall into, there's habitual things that

Mike Ganino:

we've decided from our biographical self, our true

Mike Ganino:

about us. And so we sit down with a friend at coffee to talk

Mike Ganino:

about her great podcast, the great work, and, and the habits

Mike Ganino:

show up. And I think that's where it gets really easy to

Mike Ganino:

disconnect. It's where it gets really easy to lose our

Mike Ganino:

presence. You know, people talk about charisma all the time, and

Mike Ganino:

wanting to be charismatic, and we look at people and say, Ah,

Mike Ganino:

that person has charisma, that person was born with charisma.

Mike Ganino:

But if you think about what it actually is, charisma is just

Mike Ganino:

presence. It's someone being so grounded, that they're actually

Mike Ganino:

there with you in that moment. And so for me, I think that's

Mike Ganino:

the place I keep trying to always readjust myself to, and

Mike Ganino:

you keep getting knocked off course, right? Because your your

Mike Ganino:

light and your shadow are constantly pulling, and they're

Mike Ganino:

pulling us, especially when you're in front of someone else.

Mike Ganino:

But even when you're sitting alone, trying to figure out who

Mike Ganino:

the heck er, they're pulling on each other. And I think our job

Mike Ganino:

as the person who is neither of those things, we are neither the

Mike Ganino:

light nor the shadow, our person, our job is to stay

Mike Ganino:

present to what both of them are sharing from the patterns, but

Mike Ganino:

also stay present to like, what is actually happening in front

Mike Ganino:

of us right now? And how do we want to be in that moment? And

Mike Ganino:

so for me, I guess that's where that comes from this thing that

Mike Ganino:

you that you noticed? Hmm.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

So it's interesting when, when I first

Dr Amanda Crowell:

asked the question, I was thinking like, well, you learn

Dr Amanda Crowell:

something about yourself when you're doing improv, and you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

bring that into the future, and you learn something about

Dr Amanda Crowell:

yourself, when you're running a restaurant, you bring that into

Dr Amanda Crowell:

the future, and you learn something about yourself when

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you're an executive producer on a big massive TEDx stage. And

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you bring that into the future. And somehow all those parts are

Dr Amanda Crowell:

there and integrated. And maybe he has insight into like, how

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you negotiate all those multiple sort of versions of yourself.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

And what I think you actually said was, that all of those are

Dr Amanda Crowell:

patterns like wallpaper, put on top of the same wall. And really

Dr Amanda Crowell:

the work is going back to the original wall, and letting that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

light shine through. And letting that you're the uniqueness of

Dr Amanda Crowell:

it, write your own unique perspective, be the thing that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

is the thread that ties all your work together. And then by the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

virtue of that, you would seem and you do, you would appear

Dr Amanda Crowell:

other people would recognize that you're a singular person, a

Dr Amanda Crowell:

cohesive person across these, these multiple places where

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you've had great success. So I think that's like a really

Dr Amanda Crowell:

interesting. It's a really interesting way to talk about

Dr Amanda Crowell:

performance. It's almost it's almost like you are advocating a

Dr Amanda Crowell:

like, I'm one of those things called paradox. It's like a it's

Dr Amanda Crowell:

like you're advocating a paradox that if you want to be

Dr Amanda Crowell:

charismatic, and you know, eating Matic and on stages and

Dr Amanda Crowell:

powerful, it's in the simplicity of being who you are on in that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

environment and being present to the people in front of you.

Mike Ganino:

I think that's true. And I think it's true that

Mike Ganino:

on that wall wallpaper example you gave was so was so clear

Mike Ganino:

that that the wall that all of those things are on is still you

Mike Ganino:

that that wallpaper in a different room on a different

Mike Ganino:

wall would have looked and felt different. And so it's, it's not

Mike Ganino:

necessarily that you have to get rid of all of that wallpaper.

Mike Ganino:

It's that it's that as you build upon that wallpaper, as you put

Mike Ganino:

another layer as you do that it's constantly on the wall,

Mike Ganino:

that is you, and the things that you've done were part of that,

Mike Ganino:

but they are not, you know, the wall is always you.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Mm hmm. That's so interesting. And so

Dr Amanda Crowell:

much of your work is focused on telling the stories from your

Dr Amanda Crowell:

life, to connect with people, tell me how you see sort of

Dr Amanda Crowell:

storytelling playing into this larger arc of your great work.

Mike Ganino:

I feel that so often in in, you know, public

Mike Ganino:

speaking or presenting, sharing information, you know, one to

Mike Ganino:

many, or even one to one, frankly, that we that we the

Mike Ganino:

pattern that comes up for us because we've learned it, we've

Mike Ganino:

seen it so often. Even though we have many examples of people who

Mike Ganino:

don't do this, the pattern is that we need to show up with all

Mike Ganino:

the right information that we need to show up showing the

Mike Ganino:

data, the figures, the facts, we need to walk people through the

Mike Ganino:

the information, the logic, but the reality is we don't make any

Mike Ganino:

decision in life based on all the logic, okay. None of us do,

Mike Ganino:

no matter how logical you think we are. We do what we do,

Mike Ganino:

because we feel like doing it. Mm hmm. And so I think that the

Mike Ganino:

usage of story. In that becomes saying, I'm not a person who

Mike Ganino:

just know some stuff you don't know. And I'm here to tell you,

Mike Ganino:

let me tell you my experience with this information, so that I

Mike Ganino:

might bring more, more more color to this and how I view it.

Mike Ganino:

And so what often happens is people you know, they're

Mike Ganino:

prepping for a TEDx. They're prepping for a big client

Mike Ganino:

meeting. And they want to show up with all this information

Mike Ganino:

they've gathered. But they went through an experience gathering

Mike Ganino:

that information, there was something that made them say,

Mike Ganino:

this is interesting, this is correct. And you see it even in

Mike Ganino:

in speakers who don't tell their own story. So Brene, brown, she

Mike Ganino:

tells her own stories, she gets on there talks about her

Mike Ganino:

husband, she talks about her her journey. Simon Sinek we really

Mike Ganino:

don't know anything about him, right? Except we know how he

Mike Ganino:

feels about the stories he shares. So he uses stories about

Mike Ganino:

other people. But he doesn't just do it like he's they're

Mike Ganino:

reading your story. It's very clear, when he's talking about

Mike Ganino:

fighter pilots looking out for each other, when he talks about

Mike Ganino:

companies who start with why it's very clear how he stumbled

Mike Ganino:

upon that information, how it changed the way he looked at

Mike Ganino:

things. So even when we're sharing other people's stories,

Mike Ganino:

we can do it through that wall of us, you know, we get to we

Mike Ganino:

get to add it to those layers and decide and so for me, I

Mike Ganino:

think that, you know, there's plenty of people who've talked

Mike Ganino:

about storytelling, why it's important, all of those things.

Mike Ganino:

I think the real reason I value it is because it gives you a

Mike Ganino:

real sense of as you said, this, this fun word Eunice that, that

Mike Ganino:

if you're telling your story, or you're telling a story, through

Mike Ganino:

your perspective, ain't nobody else going to do it that way. So

Mike Ganino:

you don't have to rely on facts figures, the shadow work that

Mike Ganino:

tells you to be right and correct. And you can rely on

Mike Ganino:

balancing the shadow in the light, the side that wants to

Mike Ganino:

protect you the shadow, the light that wants to push you to

Mike Ganino:

greatness, you can stand in that middle spot and share a story.

Mike Ganino:

Share your story, someone else's story in a way that no one else

Mike Ganino:

can. And that really allows you to have, as you said, your

Mike Ganino:

Eunice

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Hmm, that's so interesting. You know, it's

Dr Amanda Crowell:

funny, because often, when you think about performance on one

Dr Amanda Crowell:

hand, and storytelling on the other, it's easy to focus on the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

experience of the speaker, right? But a lot of what you're

Dr Amanda Crowell:

talking about is broadening the lens out to include not just the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

speaker and their how they feel on stage and what they've chosen

Dr Amanda Crowell:

to look like and the words they've chosen to say, but

Dr Amanda Crowell:

instead, you keep returning back to the person, you know, are you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

present with the person who's standing in front of you? Are

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you telling you sharing with them how you felt about your

Dr Amanda Crowell:

experience because that's what they can access? Right? Like, if

Dr Amanda Crowell:

they were making decisions based on logic, which they don't, but

Dr Amanda Crowell:

if they were, then we would give them the logic because it's a

Dr Amanda Crowell:

relationship. And I feel like having worked with you, you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

alluded to it. I'll just tell everybody. Mike was my speaking

Dr Amanda Crowell:

coach for my TEDx talk. And it's funny because I showed up. He

Dr Amanda Crowell:

was saying some tests some TEDx speakers, not naming any names,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

show up with all the right information. And my TEDx talk at

Dr Amanda Crowell:

the beginning, when he started helping me with it was really

Dr Amanda Crowell:

kind of laden with psychology and statistics, and, you know,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

information. And in working with you, that was really where I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

sort of found the story that I do believe is the reason it has

Dr Amanda Crowell:

been such a successful TED Talk, which has, you know, like, I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

don't know, maybe like one and a half million views or something

Dr Amanda Crowell:

right now. And I do think that it was, it was that story. And

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I'm, I think that's really interesting. And it makes your

Dr Amanda Crowell:

work, I have to assume a lot harder. Because you're not just

Dr Amanda Crowell:

saying, like, send me your script, and I will help you find

Dr Amanda Crowell:

better words, you're like, nope, come on, let's really dig in

Dr Amanda Crowell:

here and figure out who you are. So how does that Does that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

strike you as true?

Mike Ganino:

Yeah, I think it is true. Because, again, I've

Mike Ganino:

worked with some of the smartest, smart people like you,

Mike Ganino:

and and those folks at TEDx Cambridge, and I've worked with

Mike Ganino:

astronauts, and I've worked with, you know, people who, who

Mike Ganino:

did Everest, and I've worked with people who all of these

Mike Ganino:

people who've done these things. And even there, what we have to

Mike Ganino:

find is, how do you feel about this thing? You're saying? How

Mike Ganino:

do you know it to be true? Besides just you've done some

Mike Ganino:

research or you read a book? How do you know it to be true? Where

Mike Ganino:

did that come from for you? And so I think that, you know, you

Mike Ganino:

you started that, that you started by sharing how maybe it

Mike Ganino:

wasn't just the focus on yourself as a speaker in

Mike Ganino:

performance, but the audience and I would say that it's both

Mike Ganino:

because my definition so everything in my world is mic

Mike Ganino:

drop, right? I've got the mic drop moment podcast, the the

Mike Ganino:

group coaching program that I guide people through this

Mike Ganino:

journey on is called the mic drop method. Then I've got the

Mike Ganino:

mic drop method Director's Cut, which is the VIP one on one

Mike Ganino:

coaching. So everything is Mic drop. Yeah. And I've got, you

Mike Ganino:

know, a lot of times so someone thinks of a mic drop, you think

Mike Ganino:

of a zinger, someone on stage gave a zinger, they put a

Mike Ganino:

zinger, they said the thing, when I define a Mic, mic drop,

Mike Ganino:

it's the moment when both the speaker and the audience are

Mike Ganino:

looking in a mirror at the same time and see some kind of truth

Mike Ganino:

that feels shared. Hmm. That's when you have a mic drop moment,

Mike Ganino:

because those zingers on stage are, if they're just a zinger,

Mike Ganino:

then they're cruel, and bullying, and the audience may

Mike Ganino:

laugh, and they may say, Whoa, she really went there. But

Mike Ganino:

that's not what we're really trying to do with this work.

Mike Ganino:

When you say something on stage that you in that moment, feel so

Mike Ganino:

you've expressed it so clearly and in such a way that that is

Mike Ganino:

lived for you. And the audience has that same feeling that is

Mike Ganino:

where a mic drop moment happens, it can't happen in a vacuum, it

Mike Ganino:

can't happen alone. And it certainly can't happen if either

Mike Ganino:

the speaker or the audience are not having that shared moment

Mike Ganino:

together of looking in a mirror and seeing a similar version of

Mike Ganino:

the truth. Mm

Dr Amanda Crowell:

hmm. So interesting. So that feels like

Dr Amanda Crowell:

it is quite deep work that you're doing with people. And

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I'm, I am wondering, when you work with people, what are the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

struggles that they go through to really find their mic drop

Dr Amanda Crowell:

moment, like, what kinds of realizations are they having?

Dr Amanda Crowell:

What skills? are they developing what's really at the core of

Dr Amanda Crowell:

their transformation?

Mike Ganino:

I think the big thing at the core is that whole

Mike Ganino:

piece and it shows up for people in different ways. It shows up

Mike Ganino:

for people in different places as we work together. But the

Mike Ganino:

real core of it is that dance between the shadow and the

Mike Ganino:

light. Because we have for so long lived in a world where we

Mike Ganino:

are just these little Talking Heads, we go into performance

Mike Ganino:

mode with our voice with our energy, and it goes way up in

Mike Ganino:

your head. You know those moments, I hopefully that people

Mike Ganino:

will be able to hear this. But there's those times where you

Mike Ganino:

Hey, everyone, I'm here, and I'm so excited to be on the show

Mike Ganino:

today. That is all from my head. That's all headed energy, it's

Mike Ganino:

all presentation. It's all there. And it's not rooted, I

Mike Ganino:

call it your pelvic bowl, which is you know, like your

Mike Ganino:

diaphragm, like right down there. And that chakra area,

Mike Ganino:

where it's like the truth is really rooted there. And when

Mike Ganino:

you can come from that place, then the audience can too. And

Mike Ganino:

so I think the challenge most people have, and it comes from a

Mike Ganino:

different place is that for so long, we have been told, we've

Mike Ganino:

told ourselves that the shadow side of us needs to remain in

Mike Ganino:

the shadows, but the only way that you can use that power that

Mike Ganino:

was there to protect you, that's there to teach us is to take the

Mike Ganino:

flashlight out and invite the shadow into the light then you

Mike Ganino:

can become whole and what we want to see on stage and we're

Mike Ganino:

seeing this more and more and more with people who have 1.5

Mike Ganino:

million views on their brilliant talk like you do to people like

Mike Ganino:

Brene Brown and the other leaders We follow, we want

Mike Ganino:

people who are coming from their wholeness.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

So can you give us an example like a story

Dr Amanda Crowell:

that where you feel like you could tell the difference

Dr Amanda Crowell:

between maybe one of your clients or something without

Dr Amanda Crowell:

naming any names, of course, where somebody was able to go

Dr Amanda Crowell:

from a ahead sort of presentation space and into

Dr Amanda Crowell:

their truth and their resonance and their authenticity? And the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

difference was remarkable. Can you give us an example of what

Dr Amanda Crowell:

that might look like?

Mike Ganino:

I mean, in little ways, like, even if we're, if we

Mike Ganino:

use you, as an example, yeah, you showed up and you said,

Mike Ganino:

here's all of this. I'm smart. I'm a doctor, I have all the

Mike Ganino:

research, I've done all the things, how do I sequence it to

Mike Ganino:

get the audience to understand what I'm saying? And our work

Mike Ganino:

was, and I remember, our work was like, on the balcony, and we

Mike Ganino:

were both there for a public speaking event that I was

Mike Ganino:

teaching. And you were you were there as a as a client, as a

Mike Ganino:

participant. And we were working on a balcony one day after, you

Mike Ganino:

know, after the session, because that's when we could fit it in.

Mike Ganino:

And I would say that, that that sometimes we also think of this

Mike Ganino:

and we think like, oh, bringing a flashlight to the shadow, it

Mike Ganino:

must be some big thing. And editor. No, sometimes it can be

Mike Ganino:

really small. That moment, when you say actually, like, here's

Mike Ganino:

what I didn't, and I and I in your in your talk, you talk

Mike Ganino:

about this moment, at the beginning of it, where you share

Mike Ganino:

the truth of not being able to be the kind of mom you want it

Mike Ganino:

to be because you couldn't get down roll around on the floor. I

Mike Ganino:

mean, I've thought of that so much lately, by the way, myself,

Mike Ganino:

as I'm like, Oh, my dad bod is let's get clear. That was a

Mike Ganino:

little bit of that for you even. And so the what is the

Mike Ganino:

difference? I don't know, because we didn't have a, we

Mike Ganino:

didn't have a TEDx talk before. Right? That went out. And we

Mike Ganino:

could say, look, only 100,000 people watched it, right. But

Mike Ganino:

what we can see is that 1.5 plus million people were moved to

Mike Ganino:

watch, to share, to like to comment to send it to their

Mike Ganino:

friends to send it to their their sisters and brothers. And

Mike Ganino:

so that is because you took a look at the light and the shadow

Mike Ganino:

you You danced in there. And you told some truth, that when you

Mike Ganino:

held it up in the mirror and looked at it, it felt like

Mike Ganino:

truth. And when the audience did on their side, it felt like

Mike Ganino:

truth. And that is why that talk is so popular. Other people,

Mike Ganino:

we've had them again come in where they are this really kind

Mike Ganino:

of disembodied version, our culture, our culture loves

Mike Ganino:

disembodiment, we've been raised to be disembodied, to not

Mike Ganino:

actually feel how we feel. We tell children, you know, I try

Mike Ganino:

to be really aware that with my daughter, if she's crying, cuz

Mike Ganino:

she bumped her head, not to tell her it's okay. Right, but to say

Mike Ganino:

like, oh, I can tell that that really hurt, I can tell you're

Mike Ganino:

embarrassed, really to let her own the fact that whatever she

Mike Ganino:

feels, we've literally been conditioned to live in our head.

Mike Ganino:

And so we have to figure out how do I make new choices to get out

Mike Ganino:

of my head and into the experiences iPad, to feel then

Mike Ganino:

to remember what it felt like when I couldn't get on the

Mike Ganino:

floor. Or when I couldn't get up off the floor, in my case the

Mike Ganino:

other day, to play with my children that I wasn't able to

Mike Ganino:

be the kind of dad or mom that I wanted to be for them. That I

Mike Ganino:

think is the clearest less, because a lot of times people

Mike Ganino:

hear this shadow enlightened, they're like, ooh, she's really

Mike Ganino:

invited a woowoo guy to her podcast, they've gone off the

Mike Ganino:

deep end, you probably thought that you're like, I didn't know,

Mike Ganino:

I think we're gonna be talking about shadows and lights and

Mike Ganino:

archetypes today. But I like it. The reality is that, that none

Mike Ganino:

of that is woowoo. You don't have to go to like, I mean, you

Mike Ganino:

can certainly could help to like an Ayahuasca retreat, or start

Mike Ganino:

micro dosing psilocybin to look and say, What is my lived

Mike Ganino:

experience? And how do I drop into the truth of that. And so

Mike Ganino:

that's an example that I've that you had, I've had that similar

Mike Ganino:

example, working with executives who are who are out there trying

Mike Ganino:

to fundraise for their company, and helping them to find like,

Mike Ganino:

some truth in why this matters to them some truth in the kinds

Mike Ganino:

of people they help. And it really does shift. It shifts you

Mike Ganino:

also as a speaker from a place of performing, of having to put

Mike Ganino:

on a mask, to stripping away everything and just kind of

Mike Ganino:

showing what you got.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

So interesting. And you know, when

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I think about the time that we spent on that balcony, it's

Dr Amanda Crowell:

funny that you mentioned the balcony, I was right back there.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

And it's interesting, because you talked about, you know,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

perfectionism is most often when you're talking about the like,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you need to show up and be the one with all the information. I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

often think of perfectionism as being you know, Perf defensive

Dr Amanda Crowell:

failures last stand like the last time when we're trying to

Dr Amanda Crowell:

keep ourselves from our greatness really comes at that

Dr Amanda Crowell:

last minute, it's time to send it out into the world. And for

Dr Amanda Crowell:

some reason, you just can't let it go. So you chip away at it

Dr Amanda Crowell:

and chip away at it and till all the uniqueness, all the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

uniqueness, all everything has been stripped away. And it's got

Dr Amanda Crowell:

down to the brass tacks of what we're allowed to do. It's like

Dr Amanda Crowell:

that moment. And I remember standing on that balcony talking

Dr Amanda Crowell:

to you and you sort of taking one small piece of the talk,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

because man, I had a lot crammed in there, there was a lot more

Dr Amanda Crowell:

in the original script then ended up on that stage. And it's

Dr Amanda Crowell:

a good thing. Because when you said, why don't you just drop

Dr Amanda Crowell:

into this moment right here in the talk, and I think it was the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Candy Crush joke, which people do sometimes they're like, oh,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

yeah, Candy Crush. Soda takes the dates to talk. And I, you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

were like, slowed down. And as you see, you mentioned some ants

Dr Amanda Crowell:

that you have who's like, often has a cocktail on her hand, and

Dr Amanda Crowell:

it's like, got a lot to say. And you sort of, in my mind, I can

Dr Amanda Crowell:

still see right now, you sort of like doing the thing with the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

glass and the like, head bob and me thinking like, oh, when I'm

Dr Amanda Crowell:

not trying to be perfect, when I'm not trying to say everything

Dr Amanda Crowell:

and look smart, and be who a lot of people think that I would be

Dr Amanda Crowell:

given my background and stuff. I can, and I drop into mics. And

Dr Amanda Crowell:

then or aren't, I guess, as people say, then I get to be a

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you your version of me and not I get to be a me or version of me,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I get to be that that person dancing in that space between? I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

am very knowledgeable. And you know, I have I can drop into the

Dr Amanda Crowell:

experience I'm in right now. And I think it made a big

Dr Amanda Crowell:

difference. And I feel like that's why, you know, that was

Dr Amanda Crowell:

really the the work you're talking about.

Mike Ganino:

Yeah, we tend to the the idea of cramming and

Mike Ganino:

everything that you've just mentioned, yeah, is is really

Mike Ganino:

common. It's probably one of the top five, maybe top three things

Mike Ganino:

that are the presenting symptoms with someone, when someone shows

Mike Ganino:

up to my door, or my Zoom screen, whichever it would be.

Mike Ganino:

And it's because we've been taught to, to bring all of those

Mike Ganino:

parts to bring the intelligence, the smarts to get the good grade

Mike Ganino:

have enough information that they can't possibly deny me. And

Mike Ganino:

so then we worry, do I have the latest information? Am I gonna

Mike Ganino:

forget a number? Am I going to remember to say this? Is this

Mike Ganino:

right? Is there a way they could refute me and so that whole

Mike Ganino:

time, we are triggering that shadow self to protect us again

Mike Ganino:

up there? And we're not actually being ourselves? And that whole

Mike Ganino:

idea of slowing down? And really get into your body of like, when

Mike Ganino:

was it? How did it feel to know this? How did you know you

Mike Ganino:

needed this? And I think that that we've been taught so much.

Mike Ganino:

And so many of the public speaking books and things out

Mike Ganino:

there, teach us that like to attract an audience to get an

Mike Ganino:

audience. It's through all these like superficial things, and,

Mike Ganino:

and all of these organizing of your, you know, tell them what

Mike Ganino:

you're going to tell them, tell them what you told them and do

Mike Ganino:

it again and have a thesis and three steps. In the end. It's

Mike Ganino:

like, but that's not how you actually experienced this. You

Mike Ganino:

didn't read something and say like, here's a thesis on this,

Mike Ganino:

here are three things I learned. Now I know it to be true, I must

Mike Ganino:

go share it with the world. You had a moment where you had a

Mike Ganino:

lived experience and said, Oh my gosh, let me explore this. And I

Mike Ganino:

think more people do have that. And I think what we've been

Mike Ganino:

taught is it. So much of living in that headspace of all of

Mike Ganino:

those superficial things of all those like sure risks of

Mike Ganino:

communication, whether in big groups or small groups, but

Mike Ganino:

really what audiences respond to every single time, our energy.

Mike Ganino:

And we are attracted to speakers, thought leaders,

Mike Ganino:

storytellers who have this steady flow of of presence and

Mike Ganino:

are able to transmute not data, but transmute experience for us.

Mike Ganino:

And I think that's what you were able to do in that talk with,

Mike Ganino:

you know, obviously 1.5 million plus times.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Yeah, wow. This is really very interesting,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

like very deep, thought provoking work. And I wonder as

Dr Amanda Crowell:

somebody who certainly tries to do deep thought provoking work,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

and migrate work as well. I'm wondering if you've struggled to

Dr Amanda Crowell:

bring it to the world? And if you have like, what, what has

Dr Amanda Crowell:

your struggle Ben to get speakers or others to really

Dr Amanda Crowell:

grapple with this level of experience and to transform

Dr Amanda Crowell:

their work?

Mike Ganino:

I think it's it's so meta, because I'm gonna say

Mike Ganino:

exactly what I just said, but about me, I think that the

Mike Ganino:

challenge has been believing the lies that I needed to have, you

Mike Ganino:

know, the most followers that I needed to worry about email

Mike Ganino:

growth, that I needed to worry about having the biggest events

Mike Ganino:

that I needed to worry about the best ROI of ads or something,

Mike Ganino:

and that I needed to explain it as something other than what it

Mike Ganino:

is that I needed to trick people by telling them what they want

Mike Ganino:

and then giving them what they need. No, I'm just telling them

Mike Ganino:

what the hell I do. And if they want it, they can come and get

Mike Ganino:

it. And if they don't, it's totally okay. And what I'm

Mike Ganino:

finding, and I'm still tiptoeing through this all the time, is

Mike Ganino:

that the more that I speak the way I'm speaking with you today,

Mike Ganino:

the more that I share these ideas, the more the right,

Mike Ganino:

people start to come around and say, What's going on over here.

Mike Ganino:

This is an interesting, this is an interesting house, what's

Mike Ganino:

happening in this house, I might like to come and visit and that

Mike Ganino:followers on Instagram, the:Mike Ganino:

that I have, who love my stuff, and who get help for my stuff.

Mike Ganino:'s enough. I can't even serve:Mike Ganino:

if they all came in and said, I want to be your client. I

Mike Ganino:

couldn't help them all anyway, right now, I don't have I don't

Mike Ganino:

I don't want to have a huge team. I don't I've been through

Mike Ganino:

that. I've done that many, many times. In the coaching business

Mike Ganino:

on the restaurant side on the hospitality side. On the tech

Mike Ganino:

side, I've built lots of big teams, I don't want to do it. I

Mike Ganino:

want to work with people who are who are who want to do this

Mike Ganino:

work. And so I would say that my challenge in this has been what

Mike Ganino:

I just said the challenges for the top three challenges people

Mike Ganino:

bring me up, cramming so much in thinking that my program needs

Mike Ganino:

to have eight modules. 42 bonuses, 77 steps, and that it

Mike Ganino:

can't just be let's just sit because honestly like thinking

Mike Ganino:

back to that day with you on the roof, or on the roof. And now

Mike Ganino:

we're on a roof I've expanded rooftop

Mike Ganino:

balcony. Yeah, yeah. You know. And her cocktails,

Mike Ganino:

oh, it's not safe for her on the on the rooftop balcony, that

Mike Ganino:

glass of wine. But the the reality is that day like I

Mike Ganino:

didn't learn from anyone to do what I did with you. I hadn't

Mike Ganino:

gotten to a certification. I haven't been told by anybody.

Mike Ganino:

Like, this is how you do it. I've learned, you know, some

Mike Ganino:

techniques for directing from the years that I was in improv

Mike Ganino:

and the years that I worked with, with others, I learned

Mike Ganino:

things about entertaining script writing and speech writing and

Mike Ganino:

things like that. But I never learned to like look someone in

Mike Ganino:

the eyes and say, What do you want to say here? Low down and

Mike Ganino:

tell us what you want to say? And how you know it's true. Why

Mike Ganino:

do you know that to be true? And I, I find that when I allow

Mike Ganino:

myself to live in that space more, then if I can remind

Mike Ganino:

myself to not worry about 50,000 followers and the biggest email

Mike Ganino:

list and tile but to just make spiritual love consensual

Mike Ganino:

spiritual love to the people who've shown up, all the good

Mike Ganino:

things happen. Hmm.

Unknown:

You know, so I keep feeling I feel like maybe this

Unknown:

doesn't come through in this package, I don't know. But I

Unknown:

feel like I keep returning to this paradox of like, it is it

Unknown:

is the like, the dropping in the being with the other persons

Unknown:

that it is the connection. And when you said i Nobody taught me

Unknown:

how to look in someone's eyes. I was in my immediately in my own

Unknown:

mind, I was like, or has every minute of your life taught you.

Unknown:

And the it's in the dropping into the relationship. And being

Unknown:

completely present. It's almost like your own self, the wall,

Unknown:

right? The original wall becomes a great mixer, right? Like a

Unknown:

mixer in a audio sense, where like, all the different tracks

Unknown:

are playing at the same time. Everything that you need from

Unknown:

those individual experiences drop into this, you know, it's

Unknown:

comes back to that same thing, like who is Mike Canino, Mike

Unknown:

Canino is all these things, He is funny, and he is deep, and he

Unknown:

understands business. And he's struggled with things that he

Unknown:

tells us about. And all of that is always sort of vibrating

Unknown:

through the mic and you know, wall, and when you drop into the

Unknown:

relationship, then it can come through the way that it needs to

Unknown:

is seems to be the way that it works. And that is like such a

Unknown:

lovely sort of balancing with pulling on in one direction on

Unknown:

the relationship and the moment being present in that. And then

Unknown:

on the other side, it's like, just the, the uniqueness of it.

Unknown:

And I'm sure that the you know, the shadow side and light side

Unknown:

is all dancing through that mixer to that. It's just It's

Unknown:

just remarkable how your work seems to bring up sort of every

Unknown:

facet of a person.

Mike Ganino:

It is true that the it goes going back to the the

Mike Ganino:

conversation we had earlier about the wall. Yeah, I really

Mike Ganino:

do think it's never about stripping away the wallpaper.

Mike Ganino:

I'm going to go back and double down on that. Because I do think

Mike Ganino:

what you've just said, Here is the truth. Like, yeah, the

Mike Ganino:

original wall is there and that wallpaper was all lessons that

Mike Ganino:

brought you to this place that helps you see things a certain

Mike Ganino:

way. And if you if you close your eyes and you get really

Mike Ganino:

silent and you place your full hand on that wall, and you say

Mike Ganino:

what's the energy of this wall? Then I think we have a chance of

Mike Ganino:

really starting to figure out what is our great work

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Mic drop, drop. So I am so happy that you

Dr Amanda Crowell:

came on here. And we had this conversation and I am 100%

Dr Amanda Crowell:

confident that a lot of the people who are listening are

Dr Amanda Crowell:

thinking, how can I get that guy to help me really drop into my,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you know, the fullness of myself as well as the opportunities

Dr Amanda Crowell:

inside my stories? So how can people learn more about you and

Dr Amanda Crowell:

get in touch if they'd like to work with you?

Mike Ganino:

I'm really easy to find, once you learn to spell

Mike Ganino:

Canino, G, A, G, A, and I, you know, the good news about Mike

Mike Ganino:

Canino is that I kind of win the SEO game. So if you type that

Mike Ganino:

in, you're going to find my website at Mike canino.com.

Mike Ganino:

There, you're going to learn about the mike drop method, you

Mike Ganino:

can learn about the director's cut, which is one on one work,

Mike Ganino:

you can read blogs, you can listen to podcasts, you can see

Mike Ganino:

really cool illustrated animals, the websites, a little bit of a

Mike Ganino:

story itself.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Yeah, like your new website, got to try.

Mike Ganino:

I really try to say like, if I'm going to be a coach

Mike Ganino:

that's here to help other people shine, why would I have a

Mike Ganino:

website? That's just pictures of me? And then I took it even

Mike Ganino:

further and said, What am I teaching here? I'm teaching

Mike Ganino:

storytelling. So it's this really fun illustrated journey.

Mike Ganino:

So even if you're like, I don't like this guy, go check out the

Mike Ganino:

website. And, and it's gorgeous. Thank you. Yeah, really lucky

Mike Ganino:

work, some great designers and illustrators. So Mike

Mike Ganino:

canino.com, and I'm on the socials. And Mike Canino, you

Mike Ganino:

can find me on all of them at Mike Canino. So those are all

Mike Ganino:

the easy spots to get me.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

I love it. Well, I'll also put all of those

Dr Amanda Crowell:

in the show notes, of course, so they don't have to even remember

Dr Amanda Crowell:

how to spell Guinea, you know, they can just click it. And I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

want to add my personal encouragement to go you know, I

Dr Amanda Crowell:

work with Mike myself, we're going to actually do some work

Dr Amanda Crowell:

together soon on my new keynote around my new book, great work,

Dr Amanda Crowell:

how to do what matters most without sacrificing everything

Dr Amanda Crowell:

else. So I can add my personal recommendation. He's an amazing

Dr Amanda Crowell:

partner in developing those things. And I just want to thank

Dr Amanda Crowell:

you so much for being on the podcast.

Mike Ganino:

Thank you so much for having me, thank you for you

Mike Ganino:

know, it takes a lot of work people out there putting on

Mike Ganino:

these shows and putting these podcasts and a lot of effort and

Mike Ganino:

a lot of like audience building. And, you know, I know how much

Mike Ganino:

that means to you and how much you care. So the fact that you

Mike Ganino:

were willing to have me here and share me with your people means

Mike Ganino:

a lot to me. So thank you.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

Now, my pleasure. Thank you for joining

Dr Amanda Crowell:

me today on the unleashing your great work podcast. If you liked

Dr Amanda Crowell:

what you heard, please subscribe and leave a five star review.

Dr Amanda Crowell:

And hey, don't forget to check out the aligned time journal.

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